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  Xv Monday, 3/14/11, 9:09 AM
 
  King, I haven’t heard from God for a good while. He sent me an email saying he was headed my way. That was at the very end of February, and I haven’t heard from him since.
 
  503 Sunday, 3/13/11, 1:13 PM
 
  What up King?? Been awhile
 
  King Sunday, 3/13/11, 11:59 AM
 
  GOD
 
  Need2know Sunday, 3/13/11, 9:13 AM
 
  Does anyone here know how to extract MDMA from Vitamin C used as the cut? To dissolve one or the other leaving the MDMA
 
  Xv Tuesday, 3/8/11, 1:59 PM
 
  I actually fumbled with that choice of words. I was going to go with “the active hydrogen produced *at* the palladium black catalyst”, but alas. Anyways, I discovered “Lucas’ Reagent” (conc. HCl/ZnCl2 solution) which chlorinates ephedrine. The ZnCl2, however, tends to sludge up upon basing to extract the ephedrine therefrom. Apparently this is worked around by basing with sodium carbonate until fizzing upon addition ceases, and then hitting the solution with NaOH to break the sludged out ZnCl2 down into Zincate. I’m just going by what I’ve read, however. I’ve yet to see this in action, but I’m working my way there. Pops/503, the person that posts on here as “god” educates people on a method of obtaining clean ephedrine by simply soaking ground-up/powdered pills in methanol in the freezer for three hours, filtering, drying the filtrate, and repeating the process three or four times to further clean the pill mass. My experience with this is that the residue left after drying the filtrate isn’t all that clean, and I’ve done no further testing to verify that it is indeed only ephedrine with no byproducts or contaminants. It also doesn’t produce a crystal clear solution when mixed with a solvent; it’s cloudy, which indicates to *me* that it’s not pure ephedrine which is appreciably soluble in water. Anyways, I was wondering what you guys think of this method of extracting pure ephedrine from pills. My thoughts are that Uncle Fester spends a majority of his time developing methods for obtaining clean ephedrine from each new pill formulation designed to prevent such, and the mere fact that a simple methanol soak, filter and drying isn’t given mention in any of his books is clear evidence that it’s not a viable method. Granted, I haven’t tested the resulting residue to be at all certain, but that’s just my opinion on the topic; I want to hear from you guys.
 
  Pops Tuesday, 3/8/11, 12:40 PM
 
  Whoa, back the truck up. “the active hydrogen produced by palladium black catalyst” is a poor choice of words. You know SWIM will have to get something to go with his Pd and that’s hydrogen gas? I estimate 2 or 3 atmospheres. IOW, first you want to leave out the chlorination step, leaving out hydrogen gas you’re really dreaming. C- OH, to break that bond between carbon and the heteroatom oxygen is called hydrogenolysis, a sub- category of hydrogenation. Under that entry, flow hydrogenation is mentioned. That might be good. — ————————— On the one question what might be good on account of PCl5 and SOCl2 being watched, obviously there are two approaches. Out of what I have, what does it best, and, what does it to (this substrate) my starting material? “Reagents” by Fieser and Fieser, tells you all about something you think is banging. I’d want to go through all my hypochlorites and sulfur chlorides in there, then there’s chlorine produced at an electrode, … which is an active chlorine. Active hydrogen is actually coming off a cathode, any, which you may be thinking of. Palladium holds more hydrogen in its lattice than any other element, because, because … You heard about palladium electrodes because of this property. Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenation
 
  Pops Tuesday, 3/8/11, 11:47 AM
 
  As to whether palladium in any form will reduce ephedrine directly idk. Jaguar Dave said he was doing it that way in 1985 (San Diego). I went there (North Park). He had a kettle-type flask under heat in the closet, with the thermomether reading 175 degrees. I couldn’t even find a solvent that boils at that temp, like, I guess some derivative of acetic acid does, but … Dave didn’t like to be questioned much, and he carried some silly little pistol. I didn’t get to be there from start to finish. he used the term, “palladium black”. When I came back once his neighbor, a kid, who knew what he was up to said he was just there, but he “was not here to function”, like, he was spun. Dave used to give me a hit of his stuff for free every day. It was like white mud, not overly strong. tasting like popcorn oil.
 
  Xv Sunday, 3/6/11, 8:55 PM
 
  Scratch my first question. I now see that both Phosphorus Pentachloride, as well as Thionyl Chloride, are on the watch list. I understand that Phosphorus Trichloride can be made into PCl5 but hitting it with dry chlorine gas. Pops/503, do you either of you have any insight into this that you could offer? On another note, is there another conventional method available for chlorination in a home lab? -or- will the active hydrogen produced by palladium black catalyst reduce *non-chloro* ephedrine/pseudoephedrine, or will it only reduce if the precursor is chlorinated?
 
  Xv Saturday, 3/5/11, 10:46 AM
 
  Another quick question – does anyone have any experience in methylation? Fester’s Advanced Techniques describes the extraction of amphetamine from Adderall tablets, and subsequent methylation of the extracted amphetamine to methamphetamine. I can’t remember exactly what the process is… I believe formaldehyde, zinc dust and dil. glacial acetic acid are heated to boil for a few hours to methylate the amine, which is subsequently extracted out and gassed.
 
  Xv Saturday, 3/5/11, 10:42 AM
 
  Quick question. Are purchases of Palladium Chloride and Phosphorous Pentachloride brought under any scrutiny?
 
  503 Friday, 3/4/11, 9:58 PM
 
  GOD,Pops thanks for the clues… I finally found what I was looking for now what should I do? LOL
 
  503 Friday, 3/4/11, 9:50 PM
 
  To a large measure, this —- has emphasized the “phenyl” end of the phenethylamine molecule, and the “what,” the “where,” and the “how many” of the substituent groups involved. There is a broad variety of chemical groups that can be attached to the benzene ring, at one or more of the five available positions, and in an unending number of combinations. And, in any given molecule, the greater the number of substituents on the benzene ring, the greater the likelihood that there will be psychedelic action rather that stimulant action. But what can be said about the “ethylamine” end of the phenethylamine molecule? This is the veritable backbone that holds everything together, and simple changes here can produce new prototypes that can serve as starting points for the substituent game on the benzene ring. Thus, just as there is a “family” of compounds based on the foundation of phenethylamine itself, there is an equally varied and rich “families” of other compounds that might be based on some phenethylamine with a small modification to its backbone. So, for the moment, leave the aromatic ring alone, and let us explore simple changes in the ethylamine chain itself. And the simplest structural unit of change is a single carbon atom, called the methyl group. Where can it be placed? The adding of a methyl group adjacent to the amine produces phenylisopropylamine, or amphetamine. This has been exploited already as one of the richest families of psychedelic drugs; and over half of the recipes — —- – are specifically for amphetamine analogues with various substituents on the aromatic ring. The further methylation of amphetamine with yet another methyl group, this time on the nitrogen atom, yields methamphetamine. Here the track record with various substituents on the aromatic ring is not nearly as good. Many have been explored and, with one exception, the quality and potency of human activity is down. But the one exception, the N-methyl analogue of MDA, proved to be the most remarkable MDMA.
 
  Xv Friday, 3/4/11, 10:45 AM
 
  Yes, but not ‘Doctor Howdy’. When I first began posting, I used the alias ‘Dr. Kenneth Noisewater’ (which isn’t my real name obviously; it’s just a reference from the movie ‘Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy’). The person that posts as ‘God’ just began to call me ‘doc’ at some point.
 
  503 Friday, 3/4/11, 5:57 AM
 
  XV are you the one they call doc if I can ask?
 
  503 Friday, 3/4/11, 5:56 AM
 
  Man I was looking through old zone 86 archives and it seems like weve came a long way, but there are a lot of interesting GB thoughts to expand ideas even if they are not correct. Doctor Howdy Sunday, 9/14/08, 1:43 PM The Anarchist Cookbook is shit it leaves out key steps don’t waste your money.The only leading authority on real recipes is Uncle Fester(Alexander Shulgin),but you need to be able to understand real chemistry and have the proper tools too!But his shit is real and people have been using it for years.So Bro those are your choices either way you are gonna have to learn some stuff.I’ll help you any way I can but I only know so much.The Doctor……
 
  Xv Thursday, 3/3/11, 8:19 PM
 
  Wack-a-Mole: Safrole Edition ™. Is that excerpted from The Hive’s archives?
 
    Thursday, 3/3/11, 7:45 PM
 
  not the sort of industrial-scale visions a bee might have. For instance, how much current can the system withstand? How well does it scale up? A reasonably sized aparatus capable of Wacking a whole mole of safrole (~190g) might be achieved with 30 amps (@3 volts) in about 2-3 hours. Ahh, but what bored bee will do the experiment? :-) And how should the cell be built? Bob likes glass (any old cooking pan may work), but what material should be used for the electrodes?) Putting together this unusual power supply would also be a nuisance, but certainly no great obstacle to the electronics geeks. Bob is also semi-concerned about the high palladium:olefin ratio (1:20) but the palladium appears to recover and recycle well, and the ratio might be lowerable without adverse effect. On the bright side, Bob is 99% sure this thing could be scaled waaaay up.)
 
  503 Thursday, 3/3/11, 7:39 PM
 
  The Wacker type process with palladium(II) chloride and copper(II) as catalysts in aqueous media under oxygen (Bob: Which is to say, the famous O2 wacker) is one of the useful methods for conversion of terminal olefins to methyl ketones (#1). A variety of modified methods of this reaction by devising the reoxidation process for palladium(0) to palladium(II) have been reported in order to avoid chlorination encountered in the process with copper(II) chloride (#2). Electrooxidation methods were also employed for the direct oxidation of Pd(0) to Pd(II) (#3) or for generation of recyclable oxidents such as quinone (#4) or ferric chloride (#5) as a co-oxidant for regeneration of Pd(II) catalyst. Usually divided cell systems have been utilized to avoid the deposition of palladium metal onto the cathode, which often led to unsatisfactory reaction conversion. (#6) Herein, we report an improved procedure for the electrochemical Wacker type reaction by use of triarylamine as a recyclable mediator (#7) for regeneration of Pd(II) from Pd (0). The electrolysis can be achieved in both a divided or an undivided cells. In this double mediatory system, electrooxidation effects formation of triarylamine cation radical from triarylamine which regenerates palladium(II) species. [diagram] The cation radicals of triarylamines are stable (#8) and hence useful as redox catalysts for indirect electrooxidations such as deprotonation and irreversible cleavage of carbon-sulfur bond (#7). Redox step by the cation radical of triarylamine is considered to involve the formation of an intermediate complex, which would lead to a negative shift of the oxidation potential compared with those of the substrates. (#9) These features of the cation radicals of triarylamines are of interest as a recyclable organic redox for regeneration of Pd(II) from Pd(0) in the double mediatory system. (Bob tries to translate: The electricity flowing through the solution converts the triarylamine into a radical (positively charged ion). The palladium is being converted from it’s Pd(II) form to Pd(0) when it converts the safrole into MDP2P ketone. The triarylamine radicals then react with the the Pd(0), turning the palladium back into it’s catalytically usefull Pd(II) form, and in the process the radicals get converted back to plain old triarylamine. The process repeats itself as long as the safrole and electricity last. :-) The electrolyses were carried out either in a divided or undivided cell under a constant applied voltage. Typically, the electrolysis in an undivided cell was performed by using the substrate (1 mmol), PdCl2 (5 mol%), and (4-BrC6H4)3N (5 mol%) in an MeCN-H20 (7:1)-(Pt)- (Pt) system at an applied voltage of 3 volts and a current of 2-3 milliamps for 2-3 Faradays/mol, giving the desired methyl ketones. The results of the electrochemical Wacker oxidations are given in Table 2. (Bob: A Faraday is one mole of electrons (ie. it’s a measurement of how much electricity flows through based on the ammount of current and how long it flows for.) To calculate F, you take amps of current * time in seconds / 96,500. So, 10 mA of power flowing for one hour (3600 seconds) gives us ( 0.010 amps * 3600 sec/96500 conversion factor), which comes out to a wretched .00037 Faradays (moles of electrons.) Note that the reaction is described in terms of F/mole of olefin, which is only logical (the more material processed the more electrons needed.) What this means is that if you want to process .01 moles (just under 2 grams) of safrole, you’ll need to leave on that 10 mA current for about 50 to 80 hours. Now, I’m sure your first impulse is to say ‘scew that’, but the methods and cells used by these scientists were tiny experimental ones, not the sort of industrial-scale vis
 
  Xv Thursday, 3/3/11, 6:16 PM
 
  I actually read Advanced Techniques 2 for about a half hour tonight. I only read the chapters on ‘Preparation of PlCl2′ and ‘The Fester Formulas’ (I didn’t have time to finish the latter). The first portion of the latter dealt a lot with converting chloroephed to meth by cooking a solution of chloroephed, PlCl2 and aluminum powder in conc. HCl. Like I said though, I didn’t finish; I’m sure there are better techniques later in the chapter.
 
  503 Thursday, 3/3/11, 4:45 PM
 
  Here is another option for you XV Palladium on Carbon (5% Pd/C) [1] Prepare a solution of 1.7 g of Palladium Chloride (or an equimolar amount of palladium chloride dihydrate, PdCl2*2H2O) in 1.7 ml of concentrated hydrochloric acid and 20 ml of water by heating on a water bath for 2 hours or until solution is complete, and add this to a solution of 30 g of sodium acetate trihydrate (Note 1) in 200 ml of water contained in a 500 ml hydrogenation flask. Add 20 g of acid washed activated charcoal (Note 2) and hydrogenate in an atmospheric hydrogenation apparatus until absorption ceases. Collect the catalyst on a buchner funnel and wash it with five 100 ml portions of water and suck dry as possible. Dry the catalyst at room temperature over potassium hydroxide pellets or anhydrous calcium chloride in a vacuum dessicator. Powder the catalyst (approx 20 g yield) and store in a tightly stoppered glass bottle. Alternate procedure [2] Heat 7.5g activated charcoal (Note 2) on a steam bath for 2-3 hours with conc. hydrochloric acid (5 ml) and water (150 ml). Wash the charcoal by decantation with hot water until free of acid, filter it off, and dry it in an oven below 100°C. Heat palladium chloride (0.5 g) in conc. hydrochloric acid (0.75 ml) and water (5 ml) on the steam bath for ~20 min. Add the solution to AnalaR sodium acetate (17.5 g) in water (50 ml) contained in a hydrogenation flask. Introduce the purified charcoal (5.8 g) and hydrogenate the mixture until no more hydrogen is absorbed (~2 h). Collect the catalyst on a 7 cm Buchner filter (3 thicknesses of Whatman No. 1 filter paper), wash it with water (5 x 100 ml) and drain it on the filter with suction. Dry the catalyst over fresh silica gel in a vacuum desiccator and store it in a tightly stoppered bottle.
 
  Xv Thursday, 3/3/11, 11:23 AM
 
  Yeah, I actually told my wife, who’s been trying to get me to sell off all of my lab-ware, that I was going to sell it and buy an ounce of palladium with a portion of the proceeds. I’ve been dying to test this out for months.
 
  503 Thursday, 3/3/11, 10:17 AM
 
  In my opinion electrolysis is the only way to go because most things needed are easy to get and youre not looked at funny while buying. Also I dont see how the gov can ever stop it maybe thats why its a myth… Pops,God or anyone with info on this subject would be appreciated.
 
  Xv Thursday, 3/3/11, 9:25 AM
 
  I actually haven’t studied anything at all in a while. All of my books are on my laptop, which has been in the shop getting its keyboard replaced for the past three weeks. I can feel myself getting dumber and less intuitive by the second.
 
  Xv Thursday, 3/3/11, 9:23 AM
 
  That depends. I’m not sure what you mean by ‘primary’ and ‘secondary’ :P Sorry, just woke up. Too groggy to try to remember what I said.
 
  503 Thursday, 3/3/11, 12:36 AM
 
  XV you can substitute many things thats how words got twisted and people started down wrong road. All that really matters is primary, secondary… and the right cataylist to match what your oxidizing and reducing but Im sure you already knew this?
 
  503 Thursday, 3/3/11, 12:26 AM
 
  Not to sure XV to be honest but I know one thing for sure swim has finally found that easter bunny…
 
  Xv Wednesday, 3/2/11, 8:54 PM
 
  Is that from the 1st edition or the 2nd, 503? Fester had mentioned to me that the palladium was no longer a necessity of the Fester Formula according to the 2nd edition, but I haven’t noticed a difference between the Fester Formulas in the 1st and 2nd editions besides the incorporation of Emde’s electrolytic hydrogenation of chloroephedrine / chloropseudoephedrine, although I concede that I haven’t yet had the time to *thoroughly* dissect the FF detailed in the 2nd edition quite yet.
 
  503 Wednesday, 3/2/11, 7:02 PM
 
  The process of anodizing the palladium will have to be repeated prior to each run. Some fresh metal may have to be exposed on occasion by light sanding of the metal surface. An ingot of palladium should last for a lifetime. The reaction mixture should be poured into a sep funnel, and a 20 % NaOH solution should be added with shaking until the solution is strongly (13 + pH) alkaline to pH paper. Extract with two 50 to 100 mL portions of toluene. This should be plenty for one-gram of product. THe toluene extracts are then bubbled with dry HCl to get the crystalline hydrochloride product. After rinsing them off with some fresh toluene, they are spread out to dry. The most pleasantly surprising finding is that crank produced by this method doesn’t give one the body and soul- wrenching hangovers so typical of the product made by the iodine-red phosphorous method.. This is a highly desirable way to keep one’s own party rocking and rolling. If one should wish to produce more than a gram or so at a time, a larger palladium cathode should be used. Linking together more ingots of palladium would get pretty expensive, so a more economical alternative will be detailed. That alternative is electroplating some copper or brass screen with a thick coating of palladium. The simplest way to get this section of screen electroplated with palladium is to go to the yellow pages, look under electroplaters and find one who plates palladium. Ask for a plate build-up of several thousandths of an inch, so that enough Pd is deposited to last a while.. The Pd plated screen would then be used exactly like the ingot. First it must be anodized, then charged up with hydrogen in exactly the same way. The sole difference is that the greater surface area of the screen facing the condom-encased anode requires a correspondingly greater amount of current to be passed. Then, during the course of the reduction, again 50 milliamps per square centimeter of surface area facing the anode is used. The total of 3000 or so coulombs per gram of feed material doesn’t change by increasing the size of the electrode. An alternative to this is plating the screen yourself, anodically dissolving a portion of the ingot to form a PdCl2 solution then….. sorry folks, this all of the manuscript I have, but I’m sure palladium plating is no national secret (yet). There is a company that sells an electroplating kit consisitin of a power supply, metal solution and a ‘pen’ electrode. As soon as I find their paperwork among my rubble I will post it. The lastest word from Fester is a couple of references from Indian journals on electroplating graphite electrodes with palladium, essentially giving a Pd black on C catalyst in the cell!
 
  503 Wednesday, 3/2/11, 7:00 PM
 
  Oxygen will bubble freely from the ingot, and hydrogen from the piece of lead. Blackening will be noted on the edges of the ingot, where the current is most intense, and a lighter discoloration on the flat face of the ingot. This pre-treatment is called anodizing. It has been found that anodizing increases the ability of the palladium ingot to adsorb hydrogen when the wiring is turned around, and the ingot is made the cathode. Next, redo the wiring so that the palladium ingot is attached to the negative pole of the DC power supply, and the piece of lead to the positive. Turn the juice back on and run between one and two amps of current for about 20 minutes. At first, the amount of hydrogen generated at the palladium ingot will appear small. This is because the Pd adsorbs hydrogen so well. After about five minutes of current passage, the whole surface of the ingot will freely bubble off hydrogen. After the 20 minute charging with hydrogen, begin magnetic stirring of the solution, and pour in about half of the ester reaction mixture from the large test tube. Adjust the current flow from the variable power supply so that a current of about 50 milliamps per square centimeter of palladium surface flows. If one has about six square centimeters of the ingot facing the piece of lead immersed in the solution, a current of about 300 milliamps is called for. This will result in some gassing off of hydrogen from the edges of the ingot, but over the rest of its surface the hydrogen will react before it bubbles off. The lead anode will form a brown layer of lead oxide, and will not dissolve at all in the sulfuric acid solution. Some surface particles will be kicked off the lead when it’s first charging, but they don’t make it through the condom. The lead anode can be replace with a piece of platinum if desired, but lead is a lot cheaper. Graphite is amother possibilty. Keep an eye on the current meter, as the current flow can change as the reaction progresses. Keep the current flow around 300 mA (0.3 amp) for the size ingot given in this example. When 1000 coulombs ( a coulomb is a unit of charge equalling one amp-second) have passed into the solution, add the other half of the ester reaction mixture from the test-tube., and continue at 300 milliamps until 3000 coulombs have passed through the solution. Let us use the 300 mA current to show an example of these calculations: At 300 milliamps, 1000 coulombs pass in 1000 / 0.3 Amps = 3333 seconds, or a little under one hour. 3000 coulombs pass in 10,000 seconds, or two hours, 45 minutes. 3000 coulombs per gram of feed material has been found to give good yields of a fine product, but by no means consider this number to be optimal. It may well be that a greater yield would be obtained by passing more current. It may also be that pseudoephedrine and PPA differ from ephedrine in their ease of electrocatalytid hydrogenation. I don’t think that any harm can come from passing more current, within reasonable limits, so by all means experiment with the amount of current passed. During the course of thi reduction, the color slowly changes from its initially clear color to slightly tinted with yellow. It’s not known whether this color change is due to some of the condom soaking out, or if it’s a byproduct of the reaction. In any case, it’s a remarkably clean reaction. When the desired amount of current has passed, the work-up and isolation of the product is very simple. The Kling- Tite condom is removed from the beaker. after pulling out (no pun intended) the lead electrode, the jimmy hat is, as is custom in some parts, flushed down the toilet. The anode can be used over and over. The palladium cathode is then rmoved and rinsed off. It too can be reused an INNUMERABLE (Bozakium’s emphasis) number
 
  503 Wednesday, 3/2/11, 6:57 PM
 
  Reduction of the hydroxyl group of various 1-phenyl-2-aminopropanols and their substituted amino variants are easily and efficiently carried out by electrocatalytic hydrogenation of their respective acetic esters at a palladium or palladium-plated electrode in a divided electrolytic cell. Use of a lamb’s skin prophylactic as an inexpensive yet effective cell divider is also demonstrated in this experiment. Materials: One (1) gram of purified ephedrine, pseudoephedrine or phenylpropanolamine. One troy ounce ingot of palladium Glacial acetic acid Concentrated sulfuric acid Sodium hydroxide Anhydrous HCl gas source pH-indicating paper Toluene Kling-Tite Naturalamb brand condoms Lead or graphite electrode 1/2-inch wide by five inches long Six one-inch alligator clips Several feet of 16 to 20 gauge insulated copper wire Variable DC power supply Ammeter capable of measuring up to 3 amps, with resoloution to 1/10 of an amp Voltmeter (optional) Procedure: One gram of ephedrine, pseudoephedrine or PPA hydrochloride is placed in a large test-tube along with 5-7 mL of glacial acetic acid. The test tube is heated in a water bath until all the ephedrine(in this case) hydrochloride is dissolved. A few drops of concentrated sulfuric acid are added. Mix it all together and LOOSELY stopper the end of the test tube to prevent steam from entering. Heat the water bath to just about boiling, and use it to heat the test tube and its contents for a few hours. This forms the acetic ester of the ephedrine, pseudoephedrine or PPA used in the reaction. The solution should appear clear and water- like, completely homogenous. After heating, the reaction mixture can be kept stoppered as is for a few days, but it’s best to use it immediately after it’s cooked. Next, mix up a solution of 5 mL of concentrated sulfuric acid in 100 mL of water. Take a 250 mL beaker, and place it on a magnetic stirrer. Clip a well-scrubbed Kling-Tite Naturalamb condom in one side of the beaker, and place a piece of lead 1/2 inch in diameter and a few iches long inside the condom. On the other side of the beaker, stand up a one-ounce ingot of palladium. Using alligator clips, make contact with the ingot, and wth the piece of lead. They are your two electrodes. Next, pour most of the dilute sulfuric acid solution into the beaker. Save enough that some can be poured into the condom so that the solution levels are about equal inside the condom and the beaker. The ingot of palladium should be almost completely immersed. The alligator clip should be up out of the solution, and there should be enough space left to add the ester reaction mixture from the test tube to te beaker without causing the solution level to reach the alligator clip. The surface of the palladium ingot should be lightly sanded prior to use. This increases its surface area a little and exposes fresh, clean metal. The piece of lead should be scrubbed free of grease and dirt. The wire lead to the palladium ingot can be clipped to the side of the beaker with a clothes pin or paper clip to prevent the ingot from falling over during the course of the reaction. A DC current meter (ammeter) should be put in series with the wiring. A good one can be had at Radio Shack for under $50.00. The wires are first hooked up so that the palladium ingot is connected to the positive pole of the DC power supply, and the piece of lead to the negative. The typical one- ounce ingot will have a face with an area of about six square centimeters immersed in the solution and one square centimeter up out of the solutuion. Only count the area on the side facing the lead piece. The back side doesn’t count because significant current doesn’t reach it. With this typical ingot apply

about two amps for 30 seconds to one minute. Oxygen wi

 
  Xv Wednesday, 3/2/11, 5:04 PM
 
  Electrolysis definitely doesn’t get the attention that it deserves, and I’m not sure why, because you would think that as “clandestine” chemistry goes, you want to be as low-profile as possible, and purchasing (or stealing) 10 liters of 2% Tincture of Iodine and 1,000 boxes of matchbooks is, at first glance, a little less low-key than is purchasing a bottle of HCl or H2SO4 from the hardware store (or, in this instance, mercury from the shops you mentioned, which are certainly more obscure than wherever it is that people buy their RP/I2).
 
  503 Wednesday, 3/2/11, 2:55 PM
 
  occur (production of the alkene, for example) my guess is that the abstracted hydroxyl is mainly converted to water. > What is used to extract the desired product – HCL gas as usual? Since you basically now have a solution of an amine in acid, it seems like basification & extraction followed by precipitation with HCl would be appropriate. > What should the pH of the solution be? I’m assuming that the “dilute” acid would be around 20%? I generally consider “dilute” to be less than 5%. In “Psychedelic Chemistry” where this method is used for the reduction of nitro to amine the anolyte is 3 N H2SO4 and the the catholyte (which in a reduction contains the reactant) is more dilute. Since the acid mainly functions as an electrolyte in this procedure and excessive acid could damage either the reactant or the product, the lowest concentration sufficient to maintain a reasonable current should be used. Smaller cells will need lower concentrations. High acid concentration would also make the product work- up less convenient. Products should be carefully purified (recrystallized, perhaps twice) to eliminate the possibility of lead or mercury contamination. BTW, It is entirely possible that different electrode materials could be used – they often are, depending on the potentials required. The only requirement is that the hydrogen overvoltage exceed the potential required for the reduction (assuming a protic reaction medium). Mercury is commonly used because it has the highest hydrogen overvoltage. Other cathode materials to try might include lead, tin and copper (often used for reduction of nitro cpds), cadmium or cadmium plate. Alternative anode materials may include platinum, carbon, and nickel. If someone has a laboratory available it would be quite useful to determine the actual reduction potential required (cathode versus a standard electrode – use a pH/mv meter). This would greatly aid in the selection of materials and optimization of the procedure. Electrolytic reductions and oxidations are of very general application. I suspect that a number of procedures given in PIHKAL and TIHKAL could be carried out electrolytically in a much simplified manner.
 
  503 Wednesday, 3/2/11, 2:52 PM
 
  While I was catching up with you guys I stumbled upon this, The recipe read: > > > > <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> > > The process has been proven on a very small scale, but could be > > scaled up to gigantic proportions. > > ————————- > > > > Apparatus: > > > > Purchase a clay pot and using GE Silicone II plug up the bottom > > hole; and coat the bottom 1/2 inch of the pot with the silicone. > > > > Purchase a tupperware container of the same depth as the pot and > > large enough in diameter to set the pot in the middle with room > > around the outside for electrolyte. > > > > Purchase a box of lead wire approx 1/4 inch diameter as sold in > > fishing supply stores. > > > > Purchase a 110VAC 10A max variac. Construct a recifier using a > > bridge rectifier so that the variac output is converted to DC. > > Put a 0-10A meter in the rectifier box. Put two wires with large > > alligator clips on it for the DC output. > > > > Purchase a few feet of teflon insulated wire, at least 22ga. > > > > ————– > > > > Chemicals Needed: > > > > Utter simplicity- ephedrine/pseudoephedrine chloride or sulfate. > > Hydrochloric or sulphuric acid. Mercury. Mercury can be bought > > from mining or rockhound supply stores, or salvaged out of old > > electrical relays. Or from your friendly chemical resale house > > who will probably soon be selling it. :) > > > > ————— > > > > Process: > > > > Add mercury to the clay pot. Just enough is needed to cover the > > bottom surface. > > > > Put the clay pot in the middle of the tupperware container. > > Prepare a mixture of ephedrine salt and dilute acid (either HCl > > or H2SO4) and fill the pot to within 1 inch of top. > > > > Fill the outer tupperware container with dilute acid to within 1 > > inch of the top. > > > > Make the positive (anode) electrode by spiraling the lead wire > > around the outside of the tupperware container to make a complete > > circle, and then hang it over the edge so that the clip can make > > contact. > > > > Scrape 1/2 in insulation off of the teflon wire and immerse it > > in the mercury. Make certain the electrolyte only contacts the > > insulation. This is the negative electrode (cathode). > > > > Hook the anode to the + or positive clamp from the rectifier and > > hook the cathode to the – or negative clamp. > > > > ———————————– > > > > Conversion: > > > > Slowly adjust the variac so that the meter registers 4A. > > Be careful not to touch the terminals since one side is at the > > hot side of the AC line. > > > > Wait a while, and adjust the variac to that there is vigorous > > bubbling, yet no boiling of the cathodic liquid. > > > > After 6-12 hours, stop the process. > > > > The liquid inside the pot is a solution of methamphetamine salt. > > > > —————————– > > > > Note, the process also works for convering psychedelic > > nitrostyrenes or B-nitro-safrole to the amine. Alcohol and > > acetic acid will be needed to dissolve acid and olefin. > > <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> > > > > Is this a trick or what? > > I’m curious about the solution in the pot after the conversion. Although side reactions can o

2 Responses to “Rame”

  1. nonya_biz Says:

    wow.. you guys let 503 go buck wild on your board with all that cut and paste shit too?! sheesh.. that sucks.

    ive looked over your thread here and i have a little input on a few topics i see presented. i offer this input as someone who has been a successful garage chemist for 15 years now. i have learned how to make several interesting compounds from various precursors with many different methods… electro, Na boro, al/hg amalgam, STAB, LiAlH, birch, HI, been there done that. im gonna go ahead and cross off the bullshit and help you out with some things i have learned over the last decade plus…

    first thing, fuck fester (UF). he is a fucking retard and the majority of the things he has written were stolen and never even attempted by him before publishing. and for the record, UF is not alex shulgin. uncle fester is a middle age guy named steve preisler. he got busted making some crank back in the day and has made a living for himself spouting chemical bullshit that others have worked hard to create or methods that dont even work. dont read another fester anything and youll do just fine. i dare you to try some of the recipes in UFs explosives manual! :)

    example, the festerlytic reduction doesnt work as presented. it was reworked by some hard working bees back in the day utilizing sheepskin condoms as the membrane, lead anode and cathodes instead of expensive Pd, and by forming the chloro-intermediate. in the end, they got it to work but as you see, there are very few busts of electro labs in the world. the bees deemed it to not bee worth the trouble.

    next thing.. fuck electro. its a pain in the ass and gets expensive. to properly measure the amount of electricity you need meters and they aint cheap. the reagents and precursors need to bee extremely clean, lab grade or analytical… no home made acetic acid from vinegar here. your going to need pure acetic ANHYDRIDE (no water!) and things like Pd (not cheap) and worst part, too much power or for too long and you reverse everything and end up with what you started with. not only that, but in the case of methamphetamine, adulteration with the chloro analog is dangerous and if it isnt removed, can cause brain damage and even death. halogenated amphetamines are hella neurotoxic and should bee avoided if at all possible.

    lastly, getting pills clean enough to cook requires more than a methanol soak. there are methods which i will not disclose publicly that work perfectly. the procedures take time and patience, but when done correctly leave you with lab grade pseudo. these cleaning techs take as long as the meth reduction/reaction does and many times are more difficult than the cook itself. if you would like to learn these methods, 503 can tell you where to go as he spends a good bit of his time spreading his ctrl+c/v graffiti on the walls there. look for the LT method and the tetra twist among others.

    if you guys are just trying to make crank and dont have the ability to clean pills, just do a birch and bee done with it. create your NH3 with ammonium nitrate and lye, condense in an antifreeze/acetone and dry ice bath. dump in your strip and your pill and viola! your done with the reaction in less than an hour and the workup might take another.. so your talking about 2 hours and $50 from start to porn to make an 8-ball or more. the birch is infinitely scalable and produces great results.

  2. sbillinghurst Says:

    Hence they claim that confession made to the priests of, the Roman Church is useless, and that, since the priests may be sinners, they cannot loose nor bind, and, being unclean in themselves, cannot make others clean. They assert, moreover, that the cross of Christ should not be adored or venerated, because, as they urge, no one would venerate or adore the gallows upon which a father, relative, or friend had been hung. They urge, further, that they who adore the cross ought, for similar reasons, to worship all thorns and lances, because as Christ’s body was on the cross during the passion, so was the crown of thorns on his head and the soldier’s lance in his side, They proclaim many other scandalous things in regard to the sac RAME nts.

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